Manipulative fuck????, ......what was I manipulating?, I only asked for your opinion. Why did you get so defensive, a guilty conscience perhaps.....

 

Awsome time to start reporting all those necro, bestiality and rape stories too. Have fun.

 

I certainly welcome exposing hypocrisy and arrogance. Not sure who the mysterious 'ILMJ' is, and I really don't care. I fart in her or his general direction!
Reminds me of a politician trying to cover their ass. Next thing you know, they will be discovered having gay sex in public restrooms...

I can take my, new 13 stories, rated 90+ somewhere else, and not break a sweat on my balls. Doesn't matter to me. However, the hypocrisy and arrogance of what is considered 'proper' erotica amazes me. "Torture and Kill?" OK! Sweet tender loving sex with a 17.999 year old? BANNED! We are talking about FICTION, make-believe, cartoons for Christ's sake!

I'm done, spent exhausted... Bye.

 

Good, do so, it'll save me from having to read them...... I have already done a quick scan of your stories and from what I saw there's a couple of them that would be clipped.

You join our site just 2 months ago and you're already telling us how it should be run....and then to show your complete arrogance and disrespect of our rules that has a rule stating "We do not allow any text containing characters under 18 years". So what do you do you submit stories about sexually active 16 year olds....amazing.

 

I think you need to stop using and thinking of the age rule as "proper/ improper", and think of it as what it is "legal/illegal".

 

Like I stated previously, I had to SEARCH for rules and found that it was 16, based on due diligence and a concerted effort to understand the rules. so that is what I wrote. It was not easy to find. Suddenly, the rules change, and I'm to blame?

Like I said, arrogance and hypocrisy...

 

The rules link is at the top of every section and it's the responsibility of each member to read them.
May be if you pulled your head out of your arse you might have found them a lot easier.

Actually arsehole the rule is 18yrs and it has been so for well over a year now...... So I'm assuming
that the crack about arrogance and hypocrisy was directed at yourself.

 

Yes, I know how it went down, do you really want me to discuss the full reason here?.

There is an "ignore" setting......it's called "Your choice to read my posts or not", ...or do you need written directions.

Tell me Horse, you run your own business and you're a protector of "Free Speech", then I'm assuming it'd be okay if your employees went on abusive rants and called you a Nazi cunt, and other similar shit that's been directed at ILMJ... I bet that you wouldn't laugh it off, you'd bounce them out the door before they had a chance to take a breath.

 

And I think you're right.

At least here on these boards. And I 100% agree that...Christ, it has been so long that I can't remember...Nophest, that's his screen name, I think...I agree 100% that he can set the rules to basically whatever he wants. He pays the bills, he makes the rules.

But what makes no sense whatsoever is the complete and utter silence with regards to why. Why 18. There's speculation, there's conjecture, there's this and that. And obviously there's a lot of rule breakage, intentional and not.

Why not simply create a post and say why he has the rules where he has them. Is it some huge secret, like the ingredients to the Kentucky Fried Chicken recipe? No. Why not offer an explanation?

Let's say hypothetically the servers are located in a country where the age of consent is 18, and he comes on the board here and says "My lawyers advised me that if we allowed any sexual activity below the age of 18, be it fiction, non-fiction, photos, videos, anything, that I'd be opening myself up to a lawsuit, and I simply don't want to take that chance."

Bingo, case solved. I'd understand that 110% and while others might grouse and whine a bit, hey, THAT would be a legit reason, a very, very legit reason.

Does he have to explain himself? Obviously not.

But why not? Why allow all of this venom to take place when a lousy explanation would cut out all of this bullshit? Does he think that little of all of the people here? That's what it looks like, doesn't it?

Magpie asked if I'd allow my employees to call me a Nazi cunt, etc. Of course not, unless we were playing Cards Against Humanity. But as far as I know, there's only one employee in the company. There are perhaps a half-dozen volunteers. And everyone else? We're inventory. We're part of the business asset. Pro or con, we're what draws advertisers, and obviously we're part of the business model.

You're a volunteer. Do you feel appreciated? Have you received an atta' girl from the Owner? It's a pretty lofty perch that one must sit on when one doesn't feel the need to ever thank one's volunteers for all of their work.

 

Legality doesn't work unless you specify the venue. It'd been legal when and where I was growing up for my 14 year old self to have fucked a 16 year old girl.

I just worked out that my 14 year old fantasy of fucking my teacher would have been legal. (Until the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act of 2000.)

 

Legality is a very difficult concept when dealing with the internet which spans the globe. However, where the servers are physically located is an absolute venue with absolute laws. And, I was only giving one possible reason. Another? Well, let's say your biggest advertiser, who supplies 50% of the revenue of the site, says "I don't want there to be any stories, etc. containing anyone under 18, period." Honestly, that's another very acceptable reason.

Is that the reason?

::: crickets :::

And that's all I'm saying...an explanation would have done wonders just to end this once and for all in a civilized, reasonable manner.

 

Which seems to be the Netherlands, with an age of consent of 16, or possibly 12. It may depends on when the story is set.

Of course that's the age of consent of actually having sex, not the law about what its legal to write about. That may very well be different, its usually not illegal to write about illegal acts.

Talking of legalities makes very little sense in this context.

 

Could it be as simple as,.....

To be a member here the minimum age is 18.
The same age for characters featuring in the videos and the pictures.
So why not have the same age for sexual content in the sex stories site.

It makes it easier to police.

 

+1

The Netherlands is more progressive and far less puritanical than the United States.

Here in the United States, I own bound hardcover copies of the Marquis de Sade's "Juliette," "Justine," and "120 Days of Sodom."

I didn't fly to Thailand to acquire them.

I bought them in a Harvard Square book store.

Legality in this discussion has NO relevance. NONE, whatsoever. In ANY jurisdiction. This thread is as insane as any other I have seen on this topic. It is beyond ridiculous.

 

The states does have some of the strongest protections for free speech though. If I ever went through with my thought of setting up a competing server, my first thought would be to host it in California, after taking legal advice.

My theory being that the US Supreme Court struck down a law which made it a crime to make porn with someone who "appears to be" under 18, if no actual under 18 year olds were used in the shooting. I'm pretty sure (this is where legal advice comes in) a similar protection would be afforded writing about under 18s. The first amendment test for banning writing is pretty strict.

California has some of the best SLAPP suit legislation in the country, so if someone does try to make a nuisance of themselves and sue you, you can sue their arse off in turn with a summary judgement.

I'd also see if I could get away with an arms length unmoderated site (again legal advice), that way it wouldn't be me who's arse is on the line. If you don't moderate it, its not your responsibility. I thought that's how the sexstories site was run until this silliness blew up.

 

It could be that simple, Mags, but it's damn near next to impossible to get a definitive ruling. Instead, we get ambivalence. One frickin' post. I'm not asking for a 3,000 word diatribe, or a soliloquy worthy of Shakespearean fervor. Just a logical explanation.

Personally, yeah, my effin' feelings got hurt when I spent all those hours working on those stories (2,000+) and then all that work got negated because he/they changed their mind. If I was getting paid for it, hey, so be it, it'd just be more work for me, more money for me. But as a volunteer? That stung, and there was not a single word of apology, a single word of explanation. You asked me about running a business, how I would act in this or that situation. Well, how would you act if you were the site owner, and you just negated a whole ton of work done by VOLUNTEERS? Would you offer at the very least some behind-the-scenes explanation? Would you say "I'm sorry, I am, but we have to switch it to 18 because of __________________. I do appreciate all of your hard work." If that had been forthcoming, guess what? By now, every single story would have been reviewed by now.

::: shrug :::

 

It's not damned near next to impossible.....it is impossible.

I have been here 3 years longer than you, I know his lack of interest in the forum and now that he owns the company he's palmed the forum onto someone else......

Nophest obviously told the office manager......Here it's your problem now, who then palmed it to ILMJ........ I'd put money on it that ILMJ's frustration on getting answers from those above her is more than ours.
ILMJ cops it from both sides, those above her and all us below......Her job is not a position I'd want to take on.

As I said earlier,..... the rules change, yes it's fucking annoying but we have to accept it. If one doesn't it will just send you loopey and frustrated.

There's approx 350000 stories on the other site, yes we could have put a decent dent in them by now but we'd be a long long way from being finished.

 

It says you've only been here since December of last year, lol!

I count just over 50,000. I added up all the numbers under "Theme". You have to choose a theme to post a story, so, that seemed the logical column to add.

 

Is that all.......well it feels like seven years.

 

My arse is getting sore from sitting on the fence, but let me throw something out there.

XNXX is far less draconian than some other sites I have had the mis-fortune to have posted on. Lord help a story where the active participants are parents. A mere mention of their children in any context, automatically bans the story. Little Johnny's Dad is not allowed to partake in any sexual activity if little Johnny has had a mention. It is bloody ridiculous.

The rule on here is for the characters engaged in sexual activity must be 18 and over. 17.9999 does not cut it. There it is and if a writer cannot tell a story without his subjects being above the limit, then that is a shame and perhaps, a loss to the readers who frequent the site.

Without googling it, I believe that it is a common law across the WWW that sexual imagery, text or any other medium also carries the same limitation. This rule does not take into account, the allowances of individual countries (age of consent in the UK being 16).

I do not envy the mods on here. I cannot think of any other occupation that is quite so thankless. Well apart from Solicitors/Lawyers and the Police.

So it remains to be said... them the rules. Get over it. But, I did enjoy Clarise's stories.